is anyone tracking the NabvWorks ADS-600B?

they claim to offer a single box that complies with the 2020 mandate for certified aircraft, starting at 1,999 + install. there an STC for lots of GA aircraft, but no gliders (yet).

http://www.navworx.com/ADS600BDescription.php

let the flame war begin!

--b

On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 4:07:55 PM UTC-5, Bob Pasker wrote:
> is anyone tracking the NabvWorks ADS-600B?
>
> they claim to offer a single box that complies with the 2020 mandate for certified aircraft, starting at 1,999 + install. there an STC for lots of GA aircraft, but no gliders (yet).
>
> http://www.navworx.com/ADS600BDescription.php
>
> let the flame war begin!
>
> --b

Well, you still need a transponder, encoder, display, etc. So not a "single box" solution for gliders or non-electrical system LSAs.

Kirk
66

On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 5:37:04 PM UTC-4, kirk.stant wrote:
> On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 4:07:55 PM UTC-5, Bob Pasker wrote:
> > is anyone tracking the NabvWorks ADS-600B?
> >
> > they claim to offer a single box that complies with the 2020 mandate for certified aircraft, starting at 1,999 + install. there an STC for lots of GA aircraft, but no gliders (yet).
> >
> > http://www.navworx.com/ADS600BDescription.php
> >
> > let the flame war begin!
> >
> > --b
>
> Well, you still need a transponder, encoder, display, etc. So not a "single box" solution for gliders or non-electrical system LSAs.
>
> Kirk
> 66

Interesting to see that it has a Stealth mode.
UH

On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 2:07:55 PM UTC-7, Bob Pasker wrote:
> is anyone tracking the NabvWorks ADS-600B?
>
> they claim to offer a single box that complies with the 2020 mandate for certified aircraft, starting at 1,999 + install. there an STC for lots of GA aircraft, but no gliders (yet).
>
> http://www.navworx.com/ADS600BDescription.php
>
> let the flame war begin!
>
> --b

I am not sure why this box deserves any mention on r.a.s. but it's been flogged to death here before.

UAT only not 1090ES. Not a transponder. Not compatible with TCAS/TCAD.

Not compatible in any way with PowerFLARM.

Requires an external traffic display.

High battery drain. And on and on and on....

Given the prevalence of PowerFLARM (with it's 1090ES-In capability) in the USA this UAT technology would be the very last thing any sensible glider owner should want to install in their glider.

In terms of compliance, lets wait and see what happens with transponder and ADS-B Out carriage requirement exemptions for gliders. If those exemptions are removed then I hope/expect TABS to be moved in to fill this space, and TABS would be a much more appropriate technology for gliders in the USA than UAT transceivers. TABS has the potential to help both as a way to deploy current 1090ES Out capable transponders (with lower-cost TABS Class B GPS sources) as well as TABS specific (Class A) devices.

On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 3:59:13 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 5:37:04 PM UTC-4, kirk.stant wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 4:07:55 PM UTC-5, Bob Pasker wrote:
> > > is anyone tracking the NabvWorks ADS-600B?
> > >
> > > they claim to offer a single box that complies with the 2020 mandate for certified aircraft, starting at 1,999 + install. there an STC for lots of GA aircraft, but no gliders (yet).
> > >
> > > http://www.navworx.com/ADS600BDescription.php
> > >
> > > let the flame war begin!
> > >
> > > --b
> >
> > Well, you still need a transponder, encoder, display, etc. So not a "single box" solution for gliders or non-electrical system LSAs.
> >
> > Kirk
> > 66
>
> Interesting to see that it has a Stealth mode.
> UH

UAT-Out devices support optionally not broadcasting the aircraft's ICAO address. Which obviously only "works" if you are flying without a transponder or if you have a Mode-C transponder. Mode S transponders are required to transmit the ICAO address.

All that is a poor decision IMNSHO. But something AOPA and others wanted. And the FAA offered as an inducement for GA to adopt ADS-B out. That's back in the days where all the "FAA happy think" had GA on UAT and only the big boys on 1090ES. If AOPA had its head not in a dark space they would have insisted on a much simpler and much more likely to be usable single link Mode-S 1090ES based system.

On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 4:45:30 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
> UAT-Out devices support optionally not broadcasting the aircraft's ICAO address. Which obviously only "works" if you are flying without a transponder or if you have a Mode-C transponder. Mode S transponders are required to transmit the ICAO address.
>
> All that is a poor decision IMNSHO. But something AOPA and others wanted. And the FAA offered as an inducement for GA to adopt ADS-B out. That's back in the days where all the "FAA happy think" had GA on UAT and only the big boys on 1090ES. If AOPA had its head not in a dark space they would have insisted on a much simpler and much more likely to be usable single link Mode-S 1090ES based system.


Yup.

Nobody thought it all the way through and now we have an immensely complex rat's nest.